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[freeringo]

rigged = situation algarythms to protect against cheating

[AKAworceracs]

lol they do it to maximize profit, which is done every day in buissness everywhere in the world, especially when no regulation is involved ... Bush jr. cut regulation on wall street and look what happened, the F'ers purposly took as much as they could, running companies into the ground and almost the entire country... knowing exactly what they were doing and what could happen from it.

I imagine the sites know they are fueled by people w gambling addicitions and people who get bored and deposit 20$ at a time, off and on ... so they design a system to appease these people.

the people that dont understand this, dont know anything about buissness, look into the stock market, people run companies into the ground everyday to make money, when it folds u know what they do?... they make another company, lol

That argument thrown out is retarded. Its not my burden to prove the sites are on the up and up, they want me to give them my money, thats on them...

go give your money to offshore book, win a couple of big scores and see what happens... u get banned... but why? the book has no investment in winning and losing, they make money on the vig/juice 10%, people win and lose, it all evens out. Thats built into the buissness plan... HA!

Im sure there have been people who have made money playing online poker in a long run... Thoses people went on a heater, then got sponsorship to play for free or have figured out the system and molded a game to grind out some $, ie multi tabling, math programs, trackers, etc (thats not really poker, thats more like being a good penny stock trader).

Thats what most people are saying when they call the sites "Rigged"

[AKAworceracs]

and I do agree with ringo and eejit, the sites want the money to stay on the sites, and really the only way to combat cheating and make the game completly fair is to just set up situations w pre determined outcomes and spread those out evenly to the players ...

I think people use to make money on multi tableing, etc, but I think the sites curved it...

just like how the books use to allow you to bet on say The Blues -1.5 and parlay it with the over, cuz common sense would say that if the Blues won by 2 it would likely go over... they dont allow you to do that anymore

[eejit101]

Here are my slightly more in depth thoughts....

I know a few people who work in the industry. As in for the sites. And I know for A FACT (Ive been shown) that older sites are blatently rigged. Jetset, PokerHost, those kind of sites. So are most of the old casinos. winnings not being paid, %'s changed.

But, the point in question here is Stars. Is Stars rigged?

Yes. But not much. I fully believe that lower raked table are not, for these is no point. Change your game list to show all full tables, and see how many there are. They are making millions (literally) off the rake.

However as you go up things change. I took stats on Chris Moneymaker in our session. Which ended when he ****ed me. He was either running hotter THAN THE SUN, or something was up.

Hand history is similar (exact) to this.

Me (BB) - AK diamonds.
Moneymaker (Button) - xx

Preflop - $5/$10 blinds. Both sat with around $2k.

Folds to moneymaker. He raised to $35. SB Folds. I raise to $105.

Moneymaker reraises to $275. I call.

Flop A J 6. I bet $400. He shoves. I call.

I show my AK. He shows.... J6.

Turn 2 River 4.

Yes this is only one hand. But my point is, its a $4,000+ hand. And I believe to this day I played the hand perfectly. This is not a cooler. It wasnt AA JJJ. Or A K J 6 6 on the board. Its just the only flop I go broke on.

Go figure that out

[BruceJ]

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[CBG]

Even if some or all poker sites are "rigged" for action, you have to remember that it's not really an advantage or disadvantage because it is done so constantly. I don't think there is a poker elf sitting around scratching his head wondering if he should throttle up the "more action flops" button on a day-by-day basis.

I'm not saying that's acceptable if it's happening (and I lean towards believing that it is based on my own experiences), but I'm still comfortable playing online at reasonable stakes because I don't believe anyone can use the "rigged" system to their advantage (bots that have been busted over the years are a whole different story). I've been playing since they first started offering it online and over the years I haven't been able to modify my game to accommodate for the "mega action" system that seems to be in place, and if I can't do it with all the poker I've played, I don't believe anyone else can (or at least the vast majority).

I often wonder what poker will be like when it's officially regulated, but the fact of the matter is, most of the big US companies are in talks or have already partnered up with existing software companies, which means we'll see a whole lot of the exact same thing. Hopefully we'll have some mathematical geniuses who are poker players themselves auditing the software in an official capacity once regulation is in place.

I've tried and failed miserably to play profitable poker online over the years, but I still get some enjoyment value out of it, so I'm content with that for now, at least until we have regulated options.

I think what it all boils down to is self-discipline. I mean, I can sit in a live game and happily play my one hand every hour or even every two, but it's extremely difficult for me to exercise that same kind of control when playing online. But then again, online poker is a whole different breed of poker and it's not meant to be played (nor are the "norms" supposed to be the same) as live poker.

[freeringo]

Even if some or all poker sites are "rigged" for action, you have to remember that it's not really an advantage or disadvantage because it is done so constantly. I don't think there is a poker elf sitting around scratching his head wondering if he should throttle up the "more action flops" button on a day-by-day basis.

I'm not saying that's acceptable if it's happening (and I lean towards believing that it is based on my own experiences), but I'm still comfortable playing online at reasonable stakes because I don't believe anyone can use the "rigged" system to their advantage (bots that have been busted over the years are a whole different story). I've been playing since they first started offering it online and over the years I haven't been able to modify my game to accommodate for the "mega action" system that seems to be in place, and if I can't do it with all the poker I've played, I don't believe anyone else can (or at least the vast majority).

I often wonder what poker will be like when it's officially regulated, but the fact of the matter is, most of the big US companies are in talks or have already partnered up with existing software companies, which means we'll see a whole lot of the exact same thing. Hopefully we'll have some mathematical geniuses who are poker players themselves auditing the software in an official capacity once regulation is in place.

I've tried and failed miserably to play profitable poker online over the years, but I still get some enjoyment value out of it, so I'm content with that for now, at least until we have regulated options.

I think what it all boils down to is self-discipline. I mean, I can sit in a live game and happily play my one hand every hour or even every two, but it's extremely difficult for me to exercise that same kind of control when playing online. But then again, online poker is a whole different breed of poker and it's not meant to be played (nor are the "norms" supposed to be the same) as live poker.

you need to read my book

[tjntaco]

IDK. Personally, I don't think the sites are rigged. I don't see the incentive. Casinos? Yes. Poker rooms? Why? They make a few cents of every hand but when they deal a BILLION hands they're doing ok. And if someone proved that the cards weren't random that would all go away. Not worth it.

I know that PEOPLE cheat. I could easily see a table with everyone sharing hands on cell phones except for the mark. And maybe I'm just being naive, but I think the rooms themselves are on the up and up.

And Eejit, RE your hand with Moneymaker, it's only natural to think something's up there but how many times has that exact same thing happened in a live game? Thousands. I know I'll never forget when I had pocket aces with an ace and 2 kings on the board and the guy next to me had pocket kings. That was a live game and about a $300 pot in a $20 game. Lol. Stuff occurs. That's poker.

I think what you guys need to focus on is how to stop me from winning every Amazon card that comes across the table.

This should be big fun. I'm looking forward to it.

[freeringo]

If I played just 1 hand against God, I would get KK and he would get AA with a AK7 flop.

[AKAworceracs]

it would be easy to rig a system to work out mathematicly w the odds, but to maximize profit in rake by keeping the money on the site as much as possible... and there would be no way to prove it... saying the sites dont want to make more and more money, is like saying peyton manning makes 20 mil a yr, why would he risk looking bad to leave the team and go to the cowboys for 25 mil a year


Stars in my view my be the exception, im sure when they first started out they were in it to maximize profit and might have done some things to the software etc...

but I think once they were so successful, making millions on millions, and pretty much became the namesake of the buisness and they might have seen a long term future and decided that longterm viability was much more profitable for them then maximizing quarterly profit...

I cant attest to the pros having an advantage, but it wouldnt shock me...

I stopped playing online cash games, as to me this would be where u would most likely get screwed from some kind of "heater recognize and level out program" I only play tournaments now, since its a set buy-in and u would figure the site would have no interest in who wins... unless of course they give advantage to pros, site bots, or people whos pattern suggest they will keep the $ on the site and play with it opposed to withdrawing it.

[CBG]

you need to read my book

Would love to, but you left a lot to be desired with regards to why I need to read your book.

[CBG]

I know I'll never forget when I had pocket aces with an ace and 2 kings on the board and the guy next to me had pocket kings. That was a live game and about a $300 pot in a $20 game. Lol. Stuff occurs. That's poker.

Around here, I'd welcome that scenario, and I'd pocket quite a bit of money from the bad beat jackpot in the process.

[AKAworceracs]

here bad beat is quads over quads/S-flush, or S-flush over S-flush

[CBG]

Depends where you play around here. You can find Aces full of Tens beaten and then it works its way up.

[AKAworceracs]

Its that way at Harrahs, its the only place I really play now a days, but they do have "aces cracked" now... 1st like 5 pairs of pocket aces a day beaten get 200$... there are 6 casinos in the area, 4 have poker, Harrahs is the only one worth a crap

[CBG]

Whenever we're down there, we always get a car and make the casino rounds. For some reason we always win at Casino Queen and Ameristar and then bring it back to Harrah's to lose.

If I didn't love Harrah's so much, we'd probably crash at Ameristar.

The last time we were down there (or maybe two trips back), we tried to go to the dumpy casino on the water, but they closed it down between visits. We were crushed because they had some old school games you can't find around here anymore. Was kind of neat though because there was flooding going on.

Although, we paid to park in the lot across the street, walked to the casino and were told they were closed, and were out the $5 or whatever it was for parking.

[AKAworceracs]

that was the admiral, its gone now, but that use to have poker like down in the basement back in the day... it was like a high class hangout, back in the 60s 70s when E. st. louis was a affluent nice area

Casino Queen supposedly has the highest payout slots in the entire USA

River City is the newest one

I live like 15 mins from Argosy Alton Belle, its ghetto, lol

[sanny66]

I downloaded pokerstars, registered went the free rolls and a pop window informed me that goverment regulations wont allow me to player real money
tourneys due to the area im in ??? USA
username jazzbets1

[freeringo]

I downloaded pokerstars, registered went the free rolls and a pop window informed me that goverment regulations wont allow me to player real money
tourneys due to the area im in ??? USA
username jazzbets1

It's not real money it's fun money

[AKAworceracs]

its pokerstars.net ... homegames

[bredstik]

Thanks for providing these tournaments. I'm in.

bredstik on PS

[CBG]

I downloaded pokerstars, registered went the free rolls and a pop window informed me that goverment regulations wont allow me to player real money
tourneys due to the area im in ??? USA
username jazzbets1

Yes, as stated before, this is PokerStars.net (which is the link in the original post).

PokerStars.net welcomes ALL players!

[CBG]

I live like 15 mins from Argosy Alton Belle, its ghetto, lol

Is that one a ways from Harrah's STL? I think we originally had a list of the six closest casinos to visit (I just Googled the closest ones I could find) and then we've stuck to that list ever since (I even have the directions memorized from Harrah's).

That means that I don't think we have been to River City (unless that's Lumiere), so I guess my list needs updating.

Scare - Do me a favor and send me a PM of casinos within a reasonable distance from Harrha's so we don't miss any on our next trip down there!

[AKAworceracs]

Poker at Harrah's St. Louis. Casino Poker in the Harrah's Poker Room

Ameristar Casinos - St. Charles - Gaming - Poker Room -Has gone to Shlt

Poker - Lumière Place Casino & Hotel - Best Casinos in St. Louis, Missouri ... 1-3 NLHE, No 1-2 -half the size of Harrahs

Poker Room ... Remodeled poker room, Havnt been to new one yet, but looks cool, however, the whole casino is nice as hell

Casino Queen - Home of the Loosest Slots - Casino ... no poker, Supposedly loosets slots in america, has a hotel and a RV park, lol ... 1$ BJ 25 cent roulette ... 1$ draft beer ... hurting since lumiere opened up across the bridge, 3 mins away

Casino GHETTO, lol ... but old school, no poker, looks like care bears on acid painted it ... Argosy Casino - Alton, Illinois | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

[herlis]

for me casinos or poker sites rigged or not its what you believe that really matters. i just
think it will be harder for you to win if you play at a site that you think thats its rigged.